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Post by 8DonCo Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:58 pm

1 cô lái xe trong "Car Pool" lane, cảnh sát thổi lại phạt vì có 1 người, cô ta nói 2 người , baby trong bụng nữa, Tối Cao Pháp Viện nói bào thai cũng là 1 mạng người 


She will fight for the ticket 

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Post by lamdzuyen Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:33 pm

ông quan có 2 cái miệng, níu ổng nói 1 thì là một :Giggling: cái carpool tracker nó tính coi bao nhiêu cái đầu người ngồi trong xe, thằng nhỏ còn trong bụng chưa có tên chưa có tuổi chưa thấy cái đầu nên ko có tính.

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Post by saurieng2016 Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:58 pm

cổ đúng nhưng cổ vẫn thua, phải là 2 người ngồi 2 chổ thì mới tính 2, đứa con trong bụng còn ngồi chung với cô này thì đếm là 1 Very Happy

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Post by Tu* Khoai Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:10 pm

8DonCo wrote:1 cô lái xe trong "Car Pool" lane, cảnh sát thổi lại phạt vì có 1 người, cô ta nói 2 người , baby trong bụng nữa, Tối Cao Pháp Viện nói bào thai cũng là 1 mạng người 


She will fight for the ticket 

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Case này đã một thời bàn cãi ở California vào năm 1987 rồi . Người mẹ thắng .

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-01-22-me-219-story.html

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Post by Tu* Khoai Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:18 pm

2 separate cases. 1 was in 1987 where the judge dismissed the fine. While the other was in 2005 where the judge would still issue the fine. It's the toss up game of Justice .. This is back to the core of Roe V. Wade and the Supreme Court Decisions in 1973 then in 2022.

https://truecommuter.com/can-a-pregnant-woman-drive-in-the-carpool-lane/

Who Qualifies for the Carpool Lane?
Unfortunately, this varies from state to state, making it a difficult question to answer. As a general rule, you are eligible if you have two or more people in the car. Often, carpool lanes will be separated into ‘2+’ or ‘3+’ lanes, which tells you how many people need to be in the car for you to use the lane. Depending on the state, you may also be eligible to drive solo in the lane if you drive a low-emissions vehicle like an electric or hybrid car.

Motorbikes and bicycles are also eligible in most states, although, in Ontario, a motorbike must have two passengers to qualify. Other exemptions include buses, police vehicles, ambulances, and other public service vehicles.

Pregnancy and Carpooling – The Court Cases
Believe it or not, there have been a few different court cases surrounding this issue! Let us take a look at a couple to see what the arguments were, and what the judge decided in each case:

Candace Dickinson
This is perhaps the most famous case. In November of 2005, 23-year-old Candace Dickinson was fined $367 for driving alone in the HOV lane. She fought the fine in court on the basis that her unborn child, who was just weeks away from the due date, counted as a passenger. Indeed, the baby was born just 13 days later. You can see where she was coming from; just two weeks later, the same child would suddenly be counted as a separate passenger.

This, however, is not unique to the case of carpooling. An unborn child also does not, for example, need a ticket to see a movie or travel by plane, whereas a baby does. Foetuses simply have different legal properties to babies. At the time, CBC quoted Sgt Dave Norton, who issued the ticket, as saying of Dickinson’s argument that it “would require officers to carry guns, radios and pregnancy testers, and I don’t think we want to go there.”

In this case, the judge ruled that an unborn foetus did not count as a passenger, since the legal definition of a passenger in this context is an individual who occupies a separate seat in the vehicle.

Sue Ann Yasger
This case, which happened in California way back in 1987, involved a woman who was five months pregnant. The main difference between this case and the case of Candace Dickinson was that the judge dismissed Yasger’s $52 fine “in the interest of justice.” The California Highway Patrol, however, did not accept the judgment, saying that they would continue to issue tickets for pregnant women driving in the carpool lane.

Yasger’s case was largely one of principle. According to the LA Times, she queued for 4 hours at the municipal court to post a bond with the same price as the fine itself. Yasger’s efforts were not in vain. Just a few months later, a woman named Diane Correl, who was given a ticket for the same reason, showed the judge a newspaper clipping about Yasger’s case, prompting the judge to drop that ticket as well!

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Post by hoàng tử lưng gù Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:56 pm

Tu* Khoai wrote:2 separate cases.  1 was in 1987 where the judge dismissed the fine.  While the other was in 2005 where the judge would still issue the fine.  It's the toss up game of Justice .. This is back to the core of Roe V. Wade and the Supreme Court Decisions in 1973 then in 2022.

https://truecommuter.com/can-a-pregnant-woman-drive-in-the-carpool-lane/

Who Qualifies for the Carpool Lane?
Unfortunately, this varies from state to state, making it a difficult question to answer. As a general rule, you are eligible if you have two or more people in the car. Often, carpool lanes will be separated into ‘2+’ or ‘3+’ lanes, which tells you how many people need to be in the car for you to use the lane. Depending on the state, you may also be eligible to drive solo in the lane if you drive a low-emissions vehicle like an electric or hybrid car.

Motorbikes and bicycles are also eligible in most states, although, in Ontario, a motorbike must have two passengers to qualify. Other exemptions include buses, police vehicles, ambulances, and other public service vehicles.

Pregnancy and Carpooling – The Court Cases
Believe it or not, there have been a few different court cases surrounding this issue! Let us take a look at a couple to see what the arguments were, and what the judge decided in each case:

Candace Dickinson
This is perhaps the most famous case. In November of 2005, 23-year-old Candace Dickinson was fined $367 for driving alone in the HOV lane. She fought the fine in court on the basis that her unborn child, who was just weeks away from the due date, counted as a passenger. Indeed, the baby was born just 13 days later. You can see where she was coming from; just two weeks later, the same child would suddenly be counted as a separate passenger.

This, however, is not unique to the case of carpooling. An unborn child also does not, for example, need a ticket to see a movie or travel by plane, whereas a baby does. Foetuses simply have different legal properties to babies. At the time, CBC quoted Sgt Dave Norton, who issued the ticket, as saying of Dickinson’s argument that it “would require officers to carry guns, radios and pregnancy testers, and I don’t think we want to go there.”

In this case, the judge ruled that an unborn foetus did not count as a passenger, since the legal definition of a passenger in this context is an individual who occupies a separate seat in the vehicle.

Sue Ann Yasger
This case, which happened in California way back in 1987, involved a woman who was five months pregnant. The main difference between this case and the case of Candace Dickinson was that the judge dismissed Yasger’s $52 fine “in the interest of justice.” The California Highway Patrol, however, did not accept the judgment, saying that they would continue to issue tickets for pregnant women driving in the carpool lane.

Yasger’s case was largely one of principle. According to the LA Times, she queued for 4 hours at the municipal court to post a bond with the same price as the fine itself. Yasger’s efforts were not in vain. Just a few months later, a woman named Diane Correl, who was given a ticket for the same reason, showed the judge a newspaper clipping about Yasger’s case, prompting the judge to drop that ticket as well!

Yes, depending on the Judge. Generally speaking, most Judges don't count an unborn baby as a person. But a few would count, and I would do so if I were a Judge.
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Post by lamdzuyen Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:57 pm

thanks anh4 for the info :Giggling:

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Post by TuTu Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:23 am

vay đi coi movie thi` preg women at 5months or more mua 2 ve' nha .
đi xe bus mua 2 vé luôn .
đi ăn buffet thì trả 2 phần , 1 adult , 1 con cho con nít ....


thiệt tình bó tay ví mí bà lý sư. .
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Post by 8DonCo Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:59 am

Thêm vụ nầy nữa tinh sau của Mr. Newsom nè


1. Luật CA là có escorts đi theo bảo vệ thống đốc

2. Luật CA là không xài tiền công quỹ đi nhưng tiểu bang chống đồng tính


vậy ổng đi vacation ở Montana bằng tiền túi nhưng mấy thằng bảo vệ đi theo, luật 1 đá luật 2

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Post by saurieng2016 Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:57 am

TuTu wrote:vay đi coi movie thi` preg women at 5months or more  mua 2 ve' nha .
đi xe bus mua 2 vé luôn .
đi ăn buffet thì trả 2 phần , 1 adult , 1 con cho con nít ....


thiệt tình bó tay ví mí bà lý sư. .


con nít dưới 4 hay 5 tuổi đi buffet không có trả tiền nha TuTu nhưng tui nghỉ đi máy bay nên tính tiền gấp đôi vì họ phải ngồi chỗ tốt, xe bus cũng được ưu tiên.....

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Post by nhatrangdep Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:22 am

ở Mỹ này cái quần gì cũng sue được hết Laugh
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Post by ga10 Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:50 am

8DonCo wrote:1 cô lái xe trong "Car Pool" lane, cảnh sát thổi lại phạt vì có 1 người, cô ta nói 2 người , baby trong bụng nữa, Tối Cao Pháp Viện nói bào thai cũng là 1 mạng người 


She will fight for the ticket 

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Khi đi máy bay cổ có trả tiền cho 2 người hay 0?

Khi đi coi cine hay bất cứ events gì cô ta mua ticket cho 1 hay 2 người?

Khi đi ăn buffet cổ có trả tiền cho 2 người vì eating for 2 0?

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Post by hoàng tử lưng gù Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:12 pm

Theo tôi nghĩ trong trường hợp người phụ nữ có thai, và đứa nhỏ sắp ra đời, lái xe trong carpool lane nên được xem là 2 người. Người phụ nữ có thai lái xe phải đối diện với nhiều vấn đề từ sức khoẻ cho đến sự nguy hiểm cho thai nhi và bản thân in heavy traffic, bởi vì thai nhi có thể ra đời bất cứ lúc nào.
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Post by nhatrangdep Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:13 pm

hoàng tử lưng gù wrote:Theo tôi nghĩ trong trường hợp người phụ nữ có thai, và đứa nhỏ sắp ra đời, lái xe trong carpool lane nên được xem là 2 người.  Người phụ nữ có thai lái xe phải đối diện với nhiều vấn đề từ sức khoẻ cho đến sự nguy hiểm cho thai nhi và bản thân in heavy traffic,  bởi vì thai nhi có thể ra đời bất cứ lúc nào.

bản thân chị không thích lái lane carpool vì lái quá nhanh và chị là dân sợ lái vèo vèo ..
chị thấy lái lane carpool nguy hiểm hơn
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Post by hoàng tử lưng gù Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:18 pm

nhatrangdep wrote:
hoàng tử lưng gù wrote:Theo tôi nghĩ trong trường hợp người phụ nữ có thai, và đứa nhỏ sắp ra đời, lái xe trong carpool lane nên được xem là 2 người.  Người phụ nữ có thai lái xe phải đối diện với nhiều vấn đề từ sức khoẻ cho đến sự nguy hiểm cho thai nhi và bản thân in heavy traffic,  bởi vì thai nhi có thể ra đời bất cứ lúc nào.

bản thân chị không thích lái lane carpool vì lái quá nhanh và chị là dân sợ lái vèo vèo ..
chị thấy lái lane carpool nguy hiểm hơn

Hồi em còn trẻ và chưa đùng xe bus đi lại như bây giờ, thì carpool lane chạy ào ào vậy chứ không có nguy hiểm bằng các lane khác xẹt qua xẹt lại bất cứ lúc nào đó chị.
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Post by LDN Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:26 pm

Ldn thấy cô có bầu đúng tại có ~ vụ giết baby trong bụng cũng bị tội giết người vậy.

Hoặc phá thai cũng có khi bị kết án theo luật vậy.


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Post by TuTu Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:39 pm

8DonCo wrote:1 cô lái xe trong "Car Pool" lane, cảnh sát thổi lại phạt vì có 1 người, cô ta nói 2 người , baby trong bụng nữa, Tối Cao Pháp Viện nói bào thai cũng là 1 mạng người 


She will fight for the ticket 

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anh 8 có link cho cái case này không ? hay at least a hint ơ tieu bang nào mới xảy ra ?

em có đọc 2 case anh 4 post ròi ..
1987- xay ra tại Cali - Judge cho miễn trả tiền phạt
2005-xảy ra tại Arizona , Judge bat trả tiền phạt .
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Post by 8DonCo Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:58 pm

A pregnant woman got a ticket for driving in the HOV lane in Texas. She says her fetus was her passenger




https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/11/us/pregnant-woman-hov-lane/index.html

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Post by TuTu Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:26 pm

Thanks anh 8 nhièu !
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Post by Tu* Khoai Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:48 pm

BTW, in California, HOV is defined as 3 people or more in the vehicle. This is to curb the potential pregos (pregnant women) driving alone w/fetus on carpool lane. Very Happy Very Happy Xử sao ? 75440789 Xử sao ? 75440789

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